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Poster: easy jim Date: Dec 26, 2009 2:58pm
Forum: opensource_audio Subject: Unapproved live concerts in Open Source Audio?

http://www.archive.org/details/bhornsby1997-06-30
^ This show was just uploaded and Hornsby has never approved himself for sharing on archive.org.

We also had the case not too long ago of the Sugar Megs collection being available for a while in Open Source Audio, where many recordings were uploaded by artists who specifically do not want their recordings shared on archive.org

In another case, user RasCharlesJones has posted more than a handful of live reggae shows here in the Open Source Audio section by artists (Bob Marley, Burning Spear, Black Uhuru, etc.) who I expect would hardly approve, not to mention listing the shows as "Public Domain." Many of his uploads could not possibly be shows he personally recorded, though some may be, and it is highly questionable that he has the artists' permission to make place their recordings in the public domain.

(Here's an example: http://www.archive.org/details/Irationvibrationpresents-bobMarleyAndTheWailerstheApollo )

In the interests of protecting the Internet Archive, it seems critical that the curators and admins pay particular attention to reviewing and removing content that does not belong by uploaders who either do not understand what is permissable in the creative commons or who are attempting to make an end-run around the up-and-up approval policy of the Live Music Archive collection where artists must "opt-in."

Archive.org, in starting the Live Music Archive, and creating an "opt-in" system for artists, has been a pioneer in the legitimate, and fully above-board, free circulation of live music with approval of the artists. It puts the entire Internet Archive at risk to allow uploads of live performances from third parties by artists who have not approved themselves to have their music shared here.

I encourage the IA admins and curators for Open Source Audio to pay close attention to uploads in this collection, as the potential is high for uploaders to add content they should not.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Dec 27, 2009 9:43am
Forum: opensource_audio Subject: Re: Unapproved live concerts in Open Source Audio?


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Jim, I couldn't agree more with you. I would also add, "we have nothing to fear but 'fear' itself." People like you will be here to help out with this problem and dilemma. Keep posting your important notes, links, sources, and details - so all of us here can monitor this stuff. I do not represent The Internet Archive. We are a team and form the democracy here on The Archive. These forums are great for this stuff. People can always send PMs (private messages) via direct e-mail to eTree@archive.org. Use this to privately expose and point out any possible infringements. It is up to us to do this job.

The Open Source Audio Collection itself is indeed "a back door." I'm one of the people using it. As a retired Taper, and retired Soundman, I am circulating the best of my live music audio collection on the internet at The Archive. Right now, they are here in 4 different collections. My Grateful Dead tapes were 'put' into the GD collection at the LMA. In another case, I successfully prompted an old musician friend to contact eTree for the band and me, and together, we set up a new collection in the LMA. In a third case, before I knew how to back-door to this collection, someone pointed out the Our Media Collection to me. I put a few shows there. Lastly, I used the Open Source Audio Collection for a bunch of shows I taped.

Oddly enough, something else strange but interesting developed in my case. A strong desire and momentum for a reunion. Since the Internet Archive was 'willing to' host my tapes, I 'had to' contact the musicians. Several of them were affected hugely, as it turns out. Some of them hadn't spoken to each other in decades. One thing led to another. A bunch of us got together in December, 2008. I blame the whole damn thing on The Archive! Thank You!

Harry Bickel's place in Louisville - Dec 14, 2008
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Tony Rice, Curtis Burch, Dan Crary, J.D. Crowe, John Cowan, Sam Bush

My tapes are from the mid-70s. I thought they are all rare and priceless. These cassette tapes are very old. Restoration is another issue. I did the best I could to make my decisions about what to transfer and where to put them. I never used an alias. I contacted virtually ALL the musicians I could. I have made sure the musicians and artists can ALWAYS contact me anytime. I even made my own website for them. Many of these players are dead. Some are in their 80s. People like myself cannot contact every musician and artist in these cases. This is a slow process. I still have more tapes.

Consider also that I did everything myself. It took 2 years. I made sure to do everything for the dirt-cheapest costs possible. It was a bit expensive in the beginning, but I'm all setup now. I have posted on the GD forum exactly how to do all of this, including how to make webpages here. I encourage The Internet Archive to please leave this Open Source Audio Collection intact - as is. Thanks for speaking up, Jim.

Monte the Taper

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Poster: Ha Ha Ha Whoops Date: Feb 2, 2010 2:38pm
Forum: opensource_audio Subject: Re: Unapproved live concerts in Open Source Audio?

what curators? there's no one home. routine questions in the forum routinely go unanswered, meanwhile uploads are made not only of unapproved artists, but of official releases. it's just a matter of time before this once-great show is sued out of existence. i'm backing up everything asap.

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Poster: LoogyHanger Date: Feb 2, 2010 2:48pm
Forum: opensource_audio Subject: Re: Unapproved live concerts in Open Source Audio?

WOW, is deep purple made in japan there ?